J.M.: I wouldn’t call it “apocalypse.” I think we’d be lucky if we could have an apocalypse, honestly. That would be getting out of it easy, I think. But what I do think is that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. [Laughs] I guess I’d probably need to expand on that, but the way we’re living on this Earth, and the way we’re living without a sense of consequences is unsustainable and eventually that behavior is going to reach a brick wall.

I think apocalypse would be a lot more fun than the slow degradation of quality of life that I think we’re going to experience. It’s a math problem, isn’t it? We have to just shake ourselves and wake up and realize that there’s some numbers we need to look at. And we shouldn’t shit where we eat — excuse my language.

That’s just a primary thing: don’t shit where you eat, whether it be in foreign policy, or whether it have to do with dumping toxic waste in your town, or whether it have to do with cutting down trees that supply our oxygen. One of the poignant statistics that I’ve read in the last few years is the fact that the rainforests supply 45% of our oxygen.

We’re cutting them down at what rate? A football field a second? You have to have a sense of consequences, and I just don’t think our culture has that built in. I think we’ve fetishized capitalism. We fetishize markets and the wisdom of markets to the point where we’ve rationalized getting rid of any kinds of laws that regulate industry. That’s just crazy.